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wasimbutt2007
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 8:45 am    Post subject: greyhound martingale

I am trialling a new system, risky but potentially profitable.
It takes into account the martingale system (i know many people oppose this system) but i think it could work with the dogs if you have a large enough bank.
Here's my steps:

1. Pick anyone race meet
2. Study the form of each races (recommend studying for 30-45 mins) and try and select a dog for each race.
3. Now look at your selections, which trap have you selected the most?
4. If you have selected trap 2 more than any other, then you should stick to this trap for the whole race meet.
5. This is where the martingale comes into account, you start off with a small amount (i will start off with a £1) and double your stakes after every loss until you win.
Here's an example:

race 1: £1 LOSE
race 2 : £2 LOSE
race 3: £4 LOSE
race 4 £8 LOSE
race 5 £16 WIN @ 3/1

TOTAL STAKED: £31
TOTAL RETURNS: £64
TOTAL PROFIT : £33

This is an example, you may win at better odds or worse odds. I know this system is risky but i wouldn't try it if it wasn't profitable.
I have tried for only 2 days and will write a post in a couple of weeks to see how it has gone.
I lost £63 first day
I won £97 second day.

I would only recommend this to experience punters or punters with large betting banks.
What do you guys think of this?
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Betfairalfie
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 9:22 am    Post subject:

I often wonder if I should respond to these types of questions as I may come across as a repetitive moaner. Very Happy But for the benefit of those who don't already know my views on greyhound racing systems and the Martingale bank emptier staking plan, this is for you;


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I would only recommend this to experience punters ...


Most people have one go at a martingale experience then dump it when they wise up. Especially on greyhounds where bookie margins are so biased against the punter (25%+) and the exchange markets have such poor liquidity.

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...or punters with large betting banks.


Martingale is one of the best ways I know of turning a large bank into a empty bank.

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What do you guys think of this?


See above.

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sergeant_cecil
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 10:49 am    Post subject:

When will people learn that the Martingale system is the quickest way to the poor house ?

I have a record of nearly 3 years bets, albeit on horses. The system I use picks favourites 90% of the time, so the prices would not be miles away from those in greyhound racing.

The system is profitable returning over £50,000 since August 2005. I'm only saying this to prove that the system does pick winners (33% hit rate i.e. 1 in 3 bets).

The longest losing sequence is 21 bets which would require me laying out over £2,000,000 on the winning 22 bet !!! A large bank would indeed be needed.

Don't think that it was just an unlucky sequence. There were two other sequences of 20 losing bets, each requiring bets of over £1,000,000 to keep the Martingale system happy.

Forget about using the Martingale system as your staking plan. You will lose in the long run.

However, if you continue, I wish you luck. You'll need it !
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slinkymofo
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 9:28 am    Post subject:

you can use the martingale but with a limit to stop yourself going broke 6 loss max works for me 1 loss per day is the way as you can only lose once but ive had days where ive won over 10 times without a loss for the day but you need to quit after the 6th loss Cool
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fairfranco
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 11:20 am    Post subject:

surely stopping after 6 losses defeats the object of doing a MartinGayle staking system in the first place.

By that point you've lost most of your bank anyway and you would need to lower your stakes considerably for the next bet, a few losses then and your bank will be looking pretty nonexistant.
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sergeant_cecil
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 11:48 am    Post subject:

I wouldn't bother arguing, Fairfranco.

It would seem the only way to learn about the Martingayle system is for them to try it and get their fingers badly burned.

You can lead a horse to water.........


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brewster39
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 12:30 pm    Post subject:

I'm sorry but I think this 'Martingale' is a clown. End of. If you lose x amount of bets in a row say it's five, then you shouldn't be in this biz in the first place. Doubling your stakes is just daft talk.
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The Executioner
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 4:02 pm    Post subject:

Wasim - take the advice and DON'T do the system ; you will in the long term LOSE - of that I have no doubt !

Even if you stop after six losers as somebody suggests - this will mean laying out 63 unit stakes. ( 1-2-4-8-16-32 ) ; if you then started again the following day using the same staking plan and fail to pick a winner then that will be another 63 units down the pan. So picture it - you are 126 units down and on the third day of betting your first selection wins at 2/1 reducing your balance to -124 ; the next day your first selection wins at 2/1 reducing the loss to -122 and so on and so on ; you see where I'm getting to with the system - the rewards are very minimal and the risks are BIG.

Lose Lose Lose
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sergeant_cecil
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 4:07 pm    Post subject:

Wasim's original post was a year ago, Executioner.

I hoped he took the advice, or maybe he's in the poorhouse ?
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The Executioner
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 4:13 pm    Post subject:

A lot of the BAGS cards have 14 races or so for their meeting so let's say somebody decided to go for it on every race starting at £1 and doubling up.

1-2-4-8-16-32-64-128-256-512-1024 = £2047 staked on just the first ten races :

Race 11 £2048
Race 12 £4096
Race 13 £8192
Race 14 £16384

You would therefore need to enter a betting shop with £30;720 in your pocket. Anything passed race 10 ( £1024 stake ) you would almost certainly be knocked back on ; and can you imagine getting to race 14 ; have you the bottle or the cash to place the bet without having the added hassle of being told to take your business elsewhere.
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The Executioner
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 4:57 pm    Post subject:

I hadn't noticed that Sarge - hopefully he did take the advice ; i wonder why the thread appeared near the top again Confused
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sergeant_cecil
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 5:04 pm    Post subject:

You have slinkymojo to thank for bringing it up again. Although, I can't think why he's reading posts over a year old just to come out with that pearl of wisdom advocating the fastest route to the poorhouse.
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