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wasimbutt2007 Group 2 Class
Joined: 26 Feb 2008 Posts: 120 Location: Reading
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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 8:45 am Post subject: greyhound martingale |
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I am trialling a new system, risky but potentially profitable.
It takes into account the martingale system (i know many people oppose this system) but i think it could work with the dogs if you have a large enough bank.
Here's my steps:
1. Pick anyone race meet
2. Study the form of each races (recommend studying for 30-45 mins) and try and select a dog for each race.
3. Now look at your selections, which trap have you selected the most?
4. If you have selected trap 2 more than any other, then you should stick to this trap for the whole race meet.
5. This is where the martingale comes into account, you start off with a small amount (i will start off with a £1) and double your stakes after every loss until you win.
Here's an example:
race 1: £1 LOSE
race 2 : £2 LOSE
race 3: £4 LOSE
race 4 £8 LOSE
race 5 £16 WIN @ 3/1
TOTAL STAKED: £31
TOTAL RETURNS: £64
TOTAL PROFIT : £33
This is an example, you may win at better odds or worse odds. I know this system is risky but i wouldn't try it if it wasn't profitable.
I have tried for only 2 days and will write a post in a couple of weeks to see how it has gone.
I lost £63 first day
I won £97 second day.
I would only recommend this to experience punters or punters with large betting banks.
What do you guys think of this? |
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Betfairalfie Stallion
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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 9:22 am Post subject: |
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I often wonder if I should respond to these types of questions as I may come across as a repetitive moaner. But for the benefit of those who don't already know my views on greyhound racing systems and the Martingale bank emptier staking plan, this is for you;
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| I would only recommend this to experience punters ... |
Most people have one go at a martingale experience then dump it when they wise up. Especially on greyhounds where bookie margins are so biased against the punter (25%+) and the exchange markets have such poor liquidity.
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| ...or punters with large betting banks. |
Martingale is one of the best ways I know of turning a large bank into a empty bank.
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| What do you guys think of this? |
See above.
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sergeant_cecil Classic Winner
Joined: 11 Feb 2008 Posts: 955
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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 10:49 am Post subject: |
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When will people learn that the Martingale system is the quickest way to the poor house ?
I have a record of nearly 3 years bets, albeit on horses. The system I use picks favourites 90% of the time, so the prices would not be miles away from those in greyhound racing.
The system is profitable returning over £50,000 since August 2005. I'm only saying this to prove that the system does pick winners (33% hit rate i.e. 1 in 3 bets).
The longest losing sequence is 21 bets which would require me laying out over £2,000,000 on the winning 22 bet !!! A large bank would indeed be needed.
Don't think that it was just an unlucky sequence. There were two other sequences of 20 losing bets, each requiring bets of over £1,000,000 to keep the Martingale system happy.
Forget about using the Martingale system as your staking plan. You will lose in the long run.
However, if you continue, I wish you luck. You'll need it ! |
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slinkymofo 2yo
Joined: 08 Jan 2009 Posts: 8
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Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 9:28 am Post subject: |
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you can use the martingale but with a limit to stop yourself going broke 6 loss max works for me 1 loss per day is the way as you can only lose once but ive had days where ive won over 10 times without a loss for the day but you need to quit after the 6th loss  |
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fairfranco Stallion
Joined: 17 Nov 2005 Posts: 6063
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Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 11:20 am Post subject: |
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surely stopping after 6 losses defeats the object of doing a MartinGayle staking system in the first place.
By that point you've lost most of your bank anyway and you would need to lower your stakes considerably for the next bet, a few losses then and your bank will be looking pretty nonexistant. |
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sergeant_cecil Classic Winner
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Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 11:48 am Post subject: |
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I wouldn't bother arguing, Fairfranco.
It would seem the only way to learn about the Martingayle system is for them to try it and get their fingers badly burned.
You can lead a horse to water.........
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brewster39 Triple Crown Winner
Joined: 29 Dec 2006 Posts: 1369
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Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 12:30 pm Post subject: |
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I'm sorry but I think this 'Martingale' is a clown. End of. If you lose x amount of bets in a row say it's five, then you shouldn't be in this biz in the first place. Doubling your stakes is just daft talk. _________________ PLAY UP POMPEY |
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The Executioner Triple Crown Winner
Joined: 31 Mar 2008 Posts: 1397
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Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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Wasim - take the advice and DON'T do the system ; you will in the long term LOSE - of that I have no doubt !
Even if you stop after six losers as somebody suggests - this will mean laying out 63 unit stakes. ( 1-2-4-8-16-32 ) ; if you then started again the following day using the same staking plan and fail to pick a winner then that will be another 63 units down the pan. So picture it - you are 126 units down and on the third day of betting your first selection wins at 2/1 reducing your balance to -124 ; the next day your first selection wins at 2/1 reducing the loss to -122 and so on and so on ; you see where I'm getting to with the system - the rewards are very minimal and the risks are BIG.
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sergeant_cecil Classic Winner
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Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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Wasim's original post was a year ago, Executioner.
I hoped he took the advice, or maybe he's in the poorhouse ? |
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The Executioner Triple Crown Winner
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Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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A lot of the BAGS cards have 14 races or so for their meeting so let's say somebody decided to go for it on every race starting at £1 and doubling up.
1-2-4-8-16-32-64-128-256-512-1024 = £2047 staked on just the first ten races :
Race 11 £2048
Race 12 £4096
Race 13 £8192
Race 14 £16384
You would therefore need to enter a betting shop with £30;720 in your pocket. Anything passed race 10 ( £1024 stake ) you would almost certainly be knocked back on ; and can you imagine getting to race 14 ; have you the bottle or the cash to place the bet without having the added hassle of being told to take your business elsewhere. |
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The Executioner Triple Crown Winner
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Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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I hadn't noticed that Sarge - hopefully he did take the advice ; i wonder why the thread appeared near the top again  |
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sergeant_cecil Classic Winner
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Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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| You have slinkymojo to thank for bringing it up again. Although, I can't think why he's reading posts over a year old just to come out with that pearl of wisdom advocating the fastest route to the poorhouse. |
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