David Haye vs. Enzo Maccarinelli

[Dioufy]

I am serious here, David Haye to beat Enzo Maccarinelli is 8/11 and that is probably the best boxing bet I've ever seen. I can in no-way see Enzo winning against Haye, especially when Haye's been walking around at 208lbs ever since the Jean Marc Mormeck fight, so the weight will not be a problem whatsoever.

Both have suspect chins though, but Haye has the superior power and he's way too fast for Enzo, so he'll land a lot more often. The only weakness that Haye has was his stamina but he says he's fitter than ever, and looked to have a lot left in the tank when he beat Mormeck - that should hopefully take away Enzo's stamina advantage.

I promise Haye won't lose.

[penypicker]

I wanna know where this idea haye has the better punch comes from. Haye is more accurate with a doubt and faster, but Macca has the harder single shot punch imo (meant to be the same as a 3 tonne truck at 30mph). Hayes stamina is dodgy and defence is poor (though Enzo's isn't much better), Haye's weight "problems" are argueably more a pre-made excuse if he does lose. Also Mr Calzaghe snr has never trained a fighter for a title fight and lost (he's something like 27-0), so don't expect enzo to want his name sake to fail.

However, barring Braithwaite, Haye's opponents have been far better, he's a better boxer, and like i've said has the speed and the angles that macca would only dream of. The win over mormeck proves he has heart, though the questionably stamina is a really big problem, and if Macca boxes like he did against braithwaite expect it to be a lot closer than you expect, with haye regularly leaving his left low, allowing macca to tag him with his right, like mormeck did.

I'd personally say wait for the weigh in at very least before placing anything on it, if haye is making the weight first time he should walk it with enzo having a punchers chance.

Best boxing bet ever? Pavlik to KO Taylor was really nice, was 9/6 to just win out, think he was 3/1 to win by ko. Their rematch will be KO Pavlik, but i'll save the reasons.

[Dioufy]

You disagree with me on everything, and mostly I'm right - check my other boxing tips for proof.

David Haye is was too fast for Enzo Maccarinelli, he's more accurate, he's more powerful and he throws a lot more hurtful punches. The only problem I can see for Haye is if this goes past eight rounds, as Enzo is by far the fitter man. Although, Haye's record suggests it won't go that far, and Enzo's suspect chin will have never been punished and hit by Haye's fast as hell hands before.

For God's sake just look at Enzo's record - he took four rounds to finish Mohamed Azzaoui, who got brutally knocked out by Yoan Pablo Hernandez in the very first round. Plus, he's been tested my the "rock" that was Bobby Gunn (who was having a laugh at that one then?), a shop-worn Wayne Braithwaite (who had lost three of his last four before that) and Mark Hobson (who had been torn apart by Firat Arslan).

Then look at David Haye's record, he delivered a peach of a punch on Jean Marc Mormeck in his native France, dropped heavyweight Tomasz Bonin three times in the first to win on his debut on moving up and outboxed Giacobbe Fragomeni in an eliminator for a world title. And that's forgetting two really good wins against Alexander Gurov and Lasse Johansen for European titles.

I'm not surprised that the odds have fallen from 8/11 to 1/2 (still decent odds) in some places.

[penypicker]

David Haye is was too fast for Enzo Maccarinelli, he's more accurate, he's more powerful and he throws a lot more hurtful punches. The only problem I can see for Haye is if this goes past eight rounds, as Enzo is by far the fitter man. Although, Haye's record suggests it won't go that far, and Enzo's suspect chin will have never been punished and hit by Haye's fast as hell hands before.

Haye is faster yes, throws more punches? Argueable against Ismail Abdoul he threw about 15 punches a round, which means he HAS to be more accurate.
Enzo's fitness is good, and when coupled with a Haye that claims to be unable to eat a meal to keep under the 200lb limit this has to worry anyone. Haye's chin isn't all that great, Mormeck's not a hard hitter, in fact as far as the top level cruisers go he's a powder puff puncher. Enzo's chin is suspect due to the Swaby fight?

For God's sake just look at Enzo's record - he took four rounds to finish Mohamed Azzaoui, who got brutally knocked out by Yoan Pablo Hernandez in the very first round. Plus, he's been tested my the "rock" that was Bobby Gunn (who was having a laugh at that one then?), a shop-worn Wayne Braithwaite (who had lost three of his last four before that) and Mark Hobson (who had been torn apart by Firat Arslan).

Next you'll be saying Khan hits harder than Katsidis because it took Michael 4 rounds and khan 72 seconds. Everyone knew the bobby gunn fight was a joke, it merely got enzo on to the card. Braithwaite is still a top 15 fighter at very worst, and didn't macca knock Hobson out in the first in the rematch...

Then look at David Haye's record, he delivered a peach of a punch on Jean Marc Mormeck in his native France, dropped heavyweight Tomasz Bonin three times in the first to win on his debut on moving up and outboxed Giacobbe Fragomeni in an eliminator for a world title. And that's forgetting two really good wins against Alexander Gurov and Lasse Johansen for European titles.

A peach of a punch doesn't garuntee anything, and to be fair like I've already mentioned, Mormeck decked Haye and had him in trouble. Despite having 22KO's on his record from 33 wins, the number of times he's knocked a guy loopy is countable on one hand.
Bonin's the most useless example I've seen, yes Haye dropped the hugely over-protected who was beaten by our last heavyweight saviour (ho hum) Audley Harrison 3 years previous. In his previous fight Bonin was put on his ass in the first against the debutant Pavel Silvin.

The Fragomeni win is easily his second best (Mormeck being the best), but the other 2 were 2 years ago. Haye has ALWAYS struggled with the weight, which is the only thing that makes me think your thinking this is a far too one way event. Haye at 100% would walk through Macca, I won't disagree there, but a Haye who claims to be fighting at 80% is not something I'd back.


I'm not surprised that the odds have fallen from 8/11 to 1/2 (still decent odds) in some places.

If you could garuntee Haye at 100%, not weight making etc, I'd jump at that, the weight just still really bugs me, and I'm thinking this could be 1 fight too many at the weight against a guy who can punch. Haye should have skipped the fight, but his ego wouldn't let him, so he's in quite a risky position. IMO

[Dioufy]

I seriously give up.

David Haye will make the weight, no doubt. He struggled to make the weight against Mormeck because he was coming down from 217 pounds from what he put on against Bonin. He has openly stated that he had the day after the Mormeck fight off and then has trained ever since - he's supposed to be walking around only seven pounds above the crusierweight limit. There's even talk of Haye fighting Steve Cunningham after he beats Enzo, because Haye can now make the weight with ease once he trains properly.

Haye will win and, if anything, I'm more of an Enzo fan myself.

[Dioufy]

[ramonbenitez]

Both of them have somewhat 'suspect' chins..

This is a very hard fight to predict I feel. I see it starting up very cautiously but will most likely end in a KO. Got to give Haye the edge, he is an extremely classy fighter. But under Enzo Calzaghe, Maccaranelli is looking increasingly better. Really a hard one to call IMO

[goodallb]

I definitely favour Haye, but there is no way you can gaurentee a victory in any fight when the guy you favour has:

-no chin.
-stamina problems.
-is facing a big puncher.

Yes, Haye is better but it only takes one punch, and Enzo is the hardest puncher Haye will have ever fought.

Honestly i see novalue on this fight, and will be staying away from it...Should be a fantastic fight though.

[murrayfield]

This is definately a coin toss. But slightly in favour of the Hayemaker. Can't really back him though.

[ellie]

this is a mouthwatering clash of two genuine gladiators and is certainly up there with some of the biggest domestic fights in recent years.Gambling is merely an opinion....but what all of the pro Haye camp seem to forget is that opponents have always dodged Maccarinelli favouring the easier routes.I have had the privelage of seeing Enzo live,I was ringside at the now demolished Cardiff ice rink....what the television fails to convey is the clubbing noises and sheer brutality of the powerful blows reigned in on Enzo's opponents...it really chills the blood witnessing such savagery and fans are left in awe of his power.Mormeck knocked down Haye...Hayes legs buckling underneath him...he flapped around like a chicken for several seconds....and that was in the 3rd ,4th round??....Haye,....I can promise you....,has never,ever felt power which Maccaranelli will unleash on him and there will only be one outcome Saturday night....Enzo by K.O.....and at 6/4....get on !!!!!

[betking]

No offense, but making this statement -

"I promise Haye won't lose."

loses all your credibility in this thread. You cant make statements like that, regardless of the eventual outcome.
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[Dioufy]

Official weights:

- Haye: 198lbs
- Macca: 197lbs

I must say that Haye looked so FUCKING ripped on the scales it was untrue - he also weighed in 2lbs under the crusierweight limit which is nice to see. I was 50/50 on this fight due to Haye's potential weight problem but now I'm lumping money on a Haye KO 1-5 rounds and maybe a few cheeky quid at 16/1 for Haye to KO Enzo in the 1st round.